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blog_shogren_mainScott Shogren is owner of Shogren Performance Marine in Illinois. As one of the top performance-boat dealers in the world, Shogren aligned with Fountain Powerboats in 2003 and became the company's No. 1 dealer for seven years until parting ways with Fountain in 2011. He currently sells Nor-Tech and Sunsation models as well as pre-owned boats under Shogren Certified Sales.

A national and world champion offshore racer, Shogren has always been drawn to fast things from his days of drag-racing snowmobiles to his love for cars and motorcycles. To contact Scott or one of the Shogren Performance Marine sales staff, visit www.teamshogren.com or call 847-336-9037.



Behind the Hunt for Used Boats & Consignment Boats – 3/28/11 PDF  | Print |  E-mail

It’s no secret that Shogren Performance Marine is actively looking to buy used boats, bank boats and help those wanting to sell sooner than later. On the contrary, it’s something we want everyone to know. But the question I keep getting is: Why?

Despite the recession—or as I refer to it, the “New Economy”—there is still a lot of money in this country today. To put things in perspective, we financed 40 percent fewer boats in 2010 than previous years while still doing the same volume of sales we did three years prior. Most transactions today are cash. The old saying, “Cash is King” has never, at least in my marine lifetime, been more true.

blog_shogren_indoorsPeople who have good stable jobs and good incomes understand value. Today, our business is all about providing value to our customers—and that comes in many forms. We used to sell more “boats” than “deals!” Now we sell more “deals” than “boats.” It’s all about the deal today, and that’s why used boats are selling at a record pace for our company. For this reason, we’re continually looking for used boats to buy, spruce up and sell, all while providing value and customer service.

What can the seller of a used boat expect? First, he needs to understand the true value of his boat. To that end, wholesale is the new retail. What I mean by that is the majority of new boats being sold to consumers today are being sold at what used to be wholesale prices to dealers. The only boat that seems to be different is the price-point, smaller, single-engine boats that sometimes sell over NADA (National Automobile Dealers Association).

In most cases though, regardless of what the NADA listings tell you your used boat should be worth, you have to be prepared for reality when it comes to your boat’s true value and what it can actually sell for, and that includes a profit for the dealer. We buy from consumers, banks and even other dealers. We love consignments and handle consignments differently than most—we will actually take a trade against a consignment boat and cash the seller out, which our customers love.

We will also come to your location, pick your boat up and not charge you the freight until your boat sells or six months, whichever comes first. Let’s note, if priced where the market is, we are turning our inventory every 34 days. As most boats we sell are art per se, not junk, we offer a climate-controlled, 50,000-square-foot showroom that a consumer can come inside and see a clean, dry, un-oxidized boat. We are also within one hour of three major airports so it is easy for a consumer to get to us affordably. Where else can a consumer get these services today?

Why not just sell your boat yourself? Time, mainly. Selling boats takes time, and that’s where a good dealer can help you and provide value. Chances are you don’t have to arrange financing, much less the ability to take trade-ins. And there are little things you probably don’t even think about, like the guy who just wants to look at your boat but really isn’t serious about buying, or the guy who says he’s going to meet you at your storage shed at 5 p.m. and never shows. We take all those “pleasures” out of it for you and provide a great selling experience.

The first thing we do when a seller approaches us with a used boat is ask him for a number. (No surprise, “As much as I can get,” is usually the first answer.) When we get to numbers, if we’re close I say let’s talk further. If not, we agree to go our separate ways. I am fine with that. We can also consign if they don’t want to sell outright so there are some options.

As a seller, you need to understand the market. None of us are immune to this “New Economy.” Still, as I said earlier, there are guys who read the guides and still think their boat is worth the retail price. But if you can buy a brand-new as a repo boat for 50 to 60 cents on the dollar, which you can, what does that tell you about the value of your used boat?

You have two types of owners out there. You have the owner who understands that the value of their boat ebbs and flows with the rest of the economy. And then you have sellers, typically those still carrying big loans, who think they’re immune. I can understand not wanting to take a loss, but more than once I’ve found myself saying, “Sometimes in life, your first loss is your best loss.”

 
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RF Powerboats: In the Balance – 3/22/10 PDF  | Print |  E-mail

As many of you know, Shogren Performance Marine was the No. 1 dealer of Fountain Powerboats sport boats every year we carried the line. Sure, a lot of that had to do with the team at our company—we’ve built a solid reputation for integrity and service before, during and after the sale—but I’d be more than remiss if I said that Fountain didn’t give us a great product to sell, which helped us develop the excellent customer base we have today. And just as important as the products themselves was Reggie Fountain, the legendary man behind the helm.

shogren_fountain_miami11Two more things you probably know. First, Shogren no longer carries the Fountain Powerboats line. (We wish the new owners nothing but success in their endeavors.) Second, when the time comes, we will strongly consider carrying the RF Powerboats line that Reggie Fountain plans to start.

Listen, our industry is getting smaller and smaller. Consider this: We are maintaining our current level of sales with probably 90 percent fewer dealers in the performance-boat market. When we opened our doors in 2003 there were 44 Fountain dealers alone and now there are one or two. Think about it—with roughly 10 percent of the competition we used to have, we’re just staying even. We do not feel we “picked up” a lot business from dealers that have gotten out of the game because there wasn’t any business to pick up. That’s why, not so coincidentally, they are unfortunately out of the game.

So is this a good time for anyone to start a new performance-boat company? Certainly a lot of people don’t think so, but I disagree. This is a great time to start a new boat company, if you’re offering something truly new and different. Just look at what Nor-Tech did with its 39-foot center console, the 34 center console on its way and the new 80-foot sport yacht. These models have been a hit because they are truly different, not just a copy of something else. That means they have less direct competition in the marketplace. If any other person is capable of this, that person is clearly Reggie Fountain.

This industry has always needed a personality. First we had Don Aronow, then Reggie Fountain. We have a lot of great boat builders out there now—that’s for sure—but we do not have a lot of personalities. This is a relationship business and personalities sell boats. This industry needs Reggie Fountain, badly!

I’ve heard people say Reggie is too old to start over. I don’t think age matters as long as you are good at what you do. You shouldn’t be put in the penalty box because of your age. Reggie has more energy and passion than most men who are half his age, and no one builds a faster production V-bottom.

So when will we see the first RF Powerboats product? I know Reggie is shooting for the next few months, but realistically I don’t see it being ready before the 2012 Miami International Boat Show—and I believe that would be the best time to introduce the lineup. From designing and tooling to actually building the boats, it takes an awful lot of work to produce a 39-foot center console and a 43-foot sport boat, which Reggie says will be his first two models, with a 50-foot cruiser to follow.

Right now, we’re doing very well with the Nor-Tech models and we have no intention of changing that. Nor-Tech’s craftsmanship and attention to detail is second to none, not to mention that Terry Sobo, Trond Schou and Nils Johnsen are great to do business with.

If and when RF Powerboats produces new models, we will strongly consider supporting them. Reggie Fountain has earned that—and more.

 
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Working the Miami Boat Show – 2/2/11 PDF  | Print |  E-mail

Without question, the Miami International Boat Show, which happens Feb. 17-21, is the one show you need to attend—at least once—if you love high-performance boats. It is by far the most well-attended consumer show in the country. You simply won’t find a greater collection of go-fast-boat hardware in one place. Plus, if you happen to live some place that has a seemingly never-ending winter (as we do in Chicago), Miami in February isn’t a bad place to be.

blog_shogren_miami_nortechAs a high-performance dealer for Nor-Tech and Sunsation, I’ll be attending and working the Miami show. I’ll spend most of my time in those booths talking with as many show visitors as I can. Serious buyers do attend this show, but I’m just as happy to visit with those who have no intention of buying a custom-built, six-figure performance boat. They just want to stand next to the product and talk to someone who knows something about it and I don’t blame them. What I sell is very impressive!

So you could say that for me “working the show” is a mix of listening to and answering questions from those who stroll into the booths. Although my goal at the show is to close a few deals, I do a lot more talking than actually closing deals on new performance boats. Though the economy of late hasn’t helped, it’s always been that way. In my seven-plus years as a dealer, I’ve learned that performance-boat buyers are interested in relationships with their dealers and builders. They want to visit their showrooms and manufacturing plants. They don’t want to sit in an eight-by-eight-foot cubicle and get a hard close.

blog_shogren_miami_sunsationSerious buyers attending the show have some research of their own to do, and it should start before they leave home with Internet searches. Visit the websites of various go-fast boat builders and dealers. In my opinion, the most important homework a buyer can do in this economy is to research the builders themselves. That’s much more important now than researching a particular model because you want to make sure the builder is going to be around to stand behind the product. You want to make sure the manufacturer can, for example, afford to pay for a warranty claim.

For anyone fortunate enough to be in the position to purchase a new performance boat, now is a great time to buy—especially in the custom market. With custom builders, there is room to negotiate and you can get more for your money than you could a few years ago. You might not necessarily get a lower price, but you may well be able to get a lot more options.

Whether you’re a serious buyer or just someone who wants to ogle the hardware and talk about it, I hope to see you in Miami!

 
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Something This Industry Needs - 3/2/10 PDF  | Print |  E-mail

For a few years at Shogren Performance Marine we have been playing with the idea of a brand-specific and model-specific buyer/seller Web site designed for an industry of passionate high-performance boaters. Common complaints amongst consumers visiting sites to buy a boat is a lack of pictures, lack of detail and too many options that interfere with their search.

We have listened to these concerns and developed a Web site, UsedOffshoreBoats.com, that is brand-specific and model-specific. For example, if you want a Fountain 42 Lightning, go to UsedOffshoreBoats.com (UOB), click on Fountain—this will take you to www.usedfountains.com—then click on sport boats, then 42 Lightning and you will see complete listings of 42 Lightnings. When you click on the boat you want to look at there will be up to 20 pictures. The more pictures, the more detail, the more model-specific, means the less questions a consumer will have and the better chance you’ll have to sell your boat. If you have a part you want to sell, we also have parts listings under all brands.

Each brand’s home page has the feel and look of the manufacturer. When you click on the company’s logo, you will be redirected to the manufacturer’s site. Banner ads also will be available to dealers that represent a particular brand. UOB sponsors will be on all brand pages. The site will be developed in stages and we are currently introducing Phase 1, which will host the 10 manufacturers that represent more than 80 percent of offshore powerboat sales. We’ll follow with Phase 2 to include other manufacturers in short order.

During the months of March and April 2010, we will provide a special incentive—classified ads, sponsor banners and dealer banners for FREE. We feel it is not only a good time to bring a new site like this to the industry but also give back to the industry.

You also can get to the site by brand: usedbajas.com, usedcigaretteboats.com, useddonzis.com, usedformulaboats.net, usedfountains.com, usedmtis.com, usednortechs.com, usedouterlimits.com, usedskaters.com, usedsunsations.com or simply UsedOffshoreBoats.com and click on your favorite brand.

The cost for consumer classified ads starting May 1, 2010 will be $49.95 for 120 days; parts listings will be $19.95 for 120 days. Please contact This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it regarding dealer, manufacturer and sponsor ads or call 847-336-9037.

Remember, just for March and April all manufacturer, dealer, sponsor and consumer ads will be FREE. Once you try us, we think you’ll agree it’s worth the price of admission!

 
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A Bright Outlook for 2010 - 2/11/10 PDF  | Print |  E-mail

It’s not easy to shine a positive light on the boat industry with all the changes that have affected it the past couple of years. But as owner of Shogren Performance Marine, I’m proud to say we’ve managed to adapt, remain successful and are poised to take advantage of opportunities that come up in the market.

For more than six years, our team has worked hard and stayed loyal to our goal of being a premier performance-boat dealer. With the ability to purchase boats (from the manufacturer and opportunity buys), accept almost any trade-in, offer quality products at reasonable prices and creatively market to consumer, Shogren Performance Marine has established a reputation for excellent service before, during and after a sale.

Obviously, we’ve had to adapt to the current market conditions, which includes a shift from new boat sales to more pre-owned and brokerage boat sales. With this, we proudly announce a new division—Shogren Certified Sales. Staying true to the key factors of our performance-boat success, Shogren Certified Sales will concentrate on consignment boats, catering to the current boat owner with services that no other dealer can offer, while bringing a clean, fair-priced, pre-owned boat to the market. Some of the unique services for the consumer will include indoor storage, complete detailing of the boat, service prior to sale and the ability to take trade-ins on customer brokerage boats.

As everyone knows, Fountain Powerboats filed for bankruptcy protection last summer so we’ve needed to supplement our new boat inventory with other suppliers. Our goal was to align ourselves with a quality boatbuilder with history of providing a quality boat with quality service. We’ve accomplished that goal with agreements with Nor-Tech Hi-Performance Boats and Sunsation Boats to sell their products. These new product lines will give us additional models that we can offer to our customers.

It’s with great excitement that we look forward to the New Year and the business opportunities that it will bring.

 
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